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GCR Classes 8D and 8E

GCR Classes 8D and 8E
LNER Class C5
Type and origin
Power type Steam
Designer John G. Robinson
Builder GCR, at Gorton
Build date 1905–06
Total produced 4
Specifications
Configuration:
 • Whyte 4-4-2
 • UIC 2′B1′ n3v, later 2′B1′ h3v
Gauge 4 ft 8 12 in (1,435 mm)
Leading dia. 3 ft 6 in (1,070 mm)
Driver dia. 6 ft 9 in (2,060 mm)
Trailing dia. 4 ft 3 in (1,300 mm)
Wheelbase 51 ft 10 in (15,800 mm)
Length 61 ft 11 14 in (18,879 mm)
Axle load 18.5 long tons (18.8 t)
Adhesive weight 37 long tons (38 t)
Loco weight 73.3 long tons (74.5 t)
Tender weight 48.3 long tons (49.1 t)
Total weight 121.6 long tons (123.6 t)
Fuel type Coal
Fuel capacity 6 long tons (6.1 t)
Water cap 4,000 imp gal (18,000 l)
Firebox:
 • Firegrate area
26.24 sq ft (2.438 m2)
Boiler pressure 180 psi (1.2 MPa)
Heating surface 1,931 sq ft (179.4 m2)
 • Tubes 1,778 sq ft (165.2 m2)
 • Firebox 153 sq ft (14.2 m2)
Cylinders Three, one inside high-pressure, two outside low-pressure
High-pressure cylinder 19 in × 26 in (483 mm × 660 mm)
Low-pressure cylinder 21 in × 26 in (533 mm × 660 mm)
Valve gear Stephenson
Valve type HP: piston valve,
LP: slide valves
Train heating Steam
Loco brake Steam
Train brakes Vacuum
Performance figures
Tractive effort 13,321 lbf (59.25 kN)
Career
Operators
Class
  • GCR: 8D, 8E
  • LNER: C5
Number in class 4
Numbers
  • GCR: 258/9, 364/5
  • LNER: 5258/9, 5364/5,
  • then 2895–8
Nicknames "Compounds"
Axle load class LNER: RA 7
Withdrawn 1946–47
Disposition All scrapped
Type and origin
Power type Steam
Designer John G. Robinson
Builder GCR, at Gorton
Build date 1905–06
Total produced 4
Specifications
Configuration:
 • Whyte 4-4-2
 • UIC 2′B1′ n3v, later 2′B1′ h3v
Gauge 4 ft 8 12 in (1,435 mm)
Leading dia. 3 ft 6 in (1,070 mm)
Driver dia. 6 ft 9 in (2,060 mm)
Trailing dia. 4 ft 3 in (1,300 mm)
Wheelbase 51 ft 10 in (15,800 mm)
Length 61 ft 11 14 in (18,879 mm)
Axle load 18.5 long tons (18.8 t)
Adhesive weight 37 long tons (38 t)
Loco weight 73.3 long tons (74.5 t)
Tender weight 48.3 long tons (49.1 t)
Total weight 121.6 long tons (123.6 t)
Fuel type Coal
Fuel capacity 6 long tons (6.1 t)
Water cap 4,000 imp gal (18,000 l)
Firebox:
 • Firegrate area
26.24 sq ft (2.438 m2)
Boiler pressure 180 psi (1.2 MPa)
Heating surface 1,931 sq ft (179.4 m2)
 • Tubes 1,778 sq ft (165.2 m2)
 • Firebox 153 sq ft (14.2 m2)
Cylinders Three, one inside high-pressure, two outside low-pressure
High-pressure cylinder 19 in × 26 in (483 mm × 660 mm)
Low-pressure cylinder 21 in × 26 in (533 mm × 660 mm)
Valve gear Stephenson
Valve type HP: piston valve,
LP: slide valves
Train heating Steam
Loco brake Steam
Train brakes Vacuum
Performance figures
Tractive effort 13,321 lbf (59.25 kN)
Career
Operators
Class
  • GCR: 8D, 8E
  • LNER: C5
Number in class 4
Numbers
  • GCR: 258/9, 364/5
  • LNER: 5258/9, 5364/5,
  • then 2895–8
Nicknames "Compounds"
Axle load class LNER: RA 7
Withdrawn 1946–47
Disposition All scrapped

GCR Classes 8D and 8E were two pairs of three-cylinder compound steam locomotives of the 4-4-2 wheel arrangement built in 1905 and 1906 for the Great Central Railway.

In 1903, the Great Central Railway (GCR) had given comparative trials to two pairs of two-cylinder express passenger steam locomotives designed by their Chief Mechanical Engineer, John G. Robinson. These were similar in most respects, the main difference being that one pair (class 8B) were of the 4-4-2 wheel arrangement, whereas the other pair (class 8C) were 4-6-0. These trials demonstrated that the 4-4-2 was best for the GCR conditions, and so five more of class 8B were ordered, soon followed by a batch of 12.

Whilst these were under construction, it was decided to compare the merits of these locomotives against a three-cylinder compound of similar size. Accordingly, two compounds of the 4-4-2 wheel arrangement were built: no. 258 in December 1905 followed by no. 259 in February 1906, and these formed Class 8D.

The class 8D locomotives were designed by Robinson according to the principles of Walter M. Smith, in which there were three cylinders: the boiler fed a single high-pressure cylinder placed between the frames, where the steam was partially used; it was then passed to two low-pressure cylinders mounted outside the frames, which extracted the remaining useful work from the steam. The same system had already been tried by Smith's employers, the North Eastern Railway in their class 3CC of 1898, and with great success by the Midland Railway (MR) in their 1000 class of 1902. The GCR engines used the same size cylinders as the MR engines, but were arranged differently. On the MR engines, all three cylinders drove the same axle, but the GCR engines were designed so that the high-pressure cylinder drove the front coupled axle as on the MR engines, whereas the low-pressure cylinders drove the rear coupled axle; the first use of this arrangement in Britain.


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